tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694709.post111315331944940192..comments2023-10-30T07:52:59.219-05:00Comments on AFROMUSING: Ayaan Hirsi Ali profiled in The New York Times MagazineAfromusinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08053160240579454113noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694709.post-1113969078816366732005-04-19T22:51:00.000-05:002005-04-19T22:51:00.000-05:00Hey Irene! :)True, and if the govt can accord them...Hey Irene! :)True, and if the govt can accord them refuge, wouldnt that be great... (they face such dire situations and grave threat as this story shows)I am curious on the type of bills that Ms Ali has been able to get passed in the netherlands. It may be an idea to think of if ever we get the Kenyan constitional review back on. Atleast i think FGM is now outlawed in Kenya, though there are some tribes that still do it undercover (I have some cousins who are 1/2 samburu,they were almost forced into it.)Afromusinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08053160240579454113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694709.post-1113934347296632352005-04-19T13:12:00.000-05:002005-04-19T13:12:00.000-05:00I agree with jjray's observation that the crime is...I agree with jjray's observation that the crime is so large as to warrant Ms. Ali's choice of expression. She was oppressed as a Muslim woman, undergoing genital mutilation and fleeing from an arranged marriage. She recognized the fact that she was being treated as a second rate human and chose to do something about it. In my opinion, more women who are oppressed in this manner need to speak out against their oppressors. Yes, the risk would be great, but I just don't see any hope for change unless it is gradually initiated from within. The world community can get outraged all it wants, but muslim women (or any other oppressed groups of women) must eventually bear the burden of speaking out and saying enough is enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694709.post-1113849993923717552005-04-18T13:46:00.000-05:002005-04-18T13:46:00.000-05:00great discussion...btw, i thought of the relations...great discussion...btw, i thought of the relationship between muslims and africans in the coast of Kenya, it seems we may have a great sociological case study on relationships with Islam. The coast of Kenya has a mixed population of Africans, Arabs, Indians, Italians, portuguese, with different religions. After the tumultous history (1800's and back...)of wars, the 19th century saw a coexisting in peace(relatively speaking ofcourse). This may need to be examined further, as it may point to something that might even be relevant to America's WOT (War on Terror). I only visited the coast sporadically, if there is someone who can elucidate, please do!Back to Ms Ali, open question..do you think part of the outrage that resulted in the threats to ms Ali is that culturally speaking, some muslims do not understand that film is an art, and essentially a form of expression. An opinion, an idea. The challenge of democracy is being able to hear other people out...Quote from JJR's link to CBS article <BR/>...As he lay dying, Van Gogh was reported to have begged for mercy, and said, “Can’t we talk about this?” But the man shot him again, slit his throat and stabbed him, pinning a letter to his body. <BR/><BR/>Agree or not about Ms Ali, her purpose and courage is inspirational.Afromusinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08053160240579454113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694709.post-1113782209473293262005-04-17T18:56:00.000-05:002005-04-17T18:56:00.000-05:00JJR, i was thinking along the same lines towards t...JJR, i was thinking along the same lines towards the end of the week, and also thought of MLK. Thanks for your comment. Sometimes trailblazers have to ruffle people's feathers to get through to them. I remember our neighbors in Kenya who were quite respectful of their women, and we got along great. We heard some horrific stories about other women around the country though.Tough issue.Afromusinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08053160240579454113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694709.post-1113363240249851972005-04-12T22:34:00.000-05:002005-04-12T22:34:00.000-05:00great to hear from you erik, especially since u ar...great to hear from you erik, especially since u are dutch and probably have more of a first hand experience. Interesting take on this.Afromusinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08053160240579454113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694709.post-1113348830543779002005-04-12T18:33:00.000-05:002005-04-12T18:33:00.000-05:00hi afromusing, i happen to be dutch and stumble up...hi afromusing, i happen to be dutch and stumble upon your blog by the "next blog" link... <BR/><BR/>much as i agree personally with her views on islam, i still think it is dangerous to take it to a polictical level as ms. hirsi ali does. she is so stubborn in fighting islam that she's setting up the muslim population against her - you can't force them into modernization, it's a gradual process. i'm afraid that politicians like ms. hirsi ali are widening the gap between muslims and autochtonous dutchmen - and since we all have to live together i would much rather see a politician who tries to understand the muslims' point of views too. <BR/><BR/>so basically she's fighting for a good purpose but does it in the wrongest way possible and i'm afraid she'll only achieve the oppposite of what she wants to achieve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694709.post-1113346566119189032005-04-12T17:56:00.000-05:002005-04-12T17:56:00.000-05:00@Irene:She is definitely a trailblazer, i hope she...@Irene:She is definitely a trailblazer, i hope she still gets to do it, and have a personal life free from threat.Afromusinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08053160240579454113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694709.post-1113257433822812822005-04-11T17:10:00.000-05:002005-04-11T17:10:00.000-05:00Thanks for talking about this brave woman on your ...Thanks for talking about this brave woman on your blog. Her plight epitomizes the dangerous situations most European countries now face with the cultural collisons of the western way of life and that of large numbers of people of the islamic faith migrating to these countries. It is a horrible, tenous situation. My beef with these islamic extremists is that they just won't live and let live. They have to impose their extremist views on the host countries! How sick!!<BR/><BR/>Miss Ali is a true hero for standing up to these extremists. My hat off to her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com